Question about my 07

[JOE]

I am trying to get used to navigating around this site. Some parts a little confusing.

I have a silver 2007 Mustang GT purchased in July 2006 - one of the newest to arrive at the dealer. It has the larger 18" rims.
I am looking at upgrading in th espring with a supercharger. Any tips on where I can get this done would be appreciated. I live in Gatineau, Quebec across the river from Ottawa so would have the work done in Ontario.
Considerations ?
I like the looks of the Roush Mustang. Except I don't want all the body panel work. Just the mechanical changes. Does anyone do that work around Ottawa or southern Ontario ?
Should I wait for the Bullitt model, instead in 2008 ?

[shakes]

good place for these kind of questions are in the tech forums, just need to create a new thread in the 05+ mustang section for your type of mustang. Hopefully one of the moderators or members can be of some help.

cheers.

[5ive.oh]

I believe roush makes stage kits, stage 1 is body work, stage 2 is suspension, stage 3 is supercharger, suspension, bodykit. Roush supercharger unit is nice becuase it fits under the stock hood and doesn't stand out too much, but it's overpriced. Procharger makes a nice piece and gives good performance gains. Have you considered a turbo setup? There is more power potential from turbo's then from superchargers. STS (squires turbo systems) makes a kit that replpaces the mufflers with a turbo and is supposed to be pretty good, it can be converted to a twin kit very easily. I don't know any speed shops in ontario though so I really can't help you out there.

[mod95red]

Originally Posted by JOE

I am trying to get used to navigating around this site. Some parts a little confusing.

I have a silver 2007 Mustang GT purchased in July 2006 - one of the newest to arrive at the dealer. It has the larger 18" rims.
I am looking at upgrading in th espring with a supercharger. Any tips on where I can get this done would be appreciated. I live in Gatineau, Quebec across the river from Ottawa so would have the work done in Ontario.
Considerations ?
I like the looks of the Roush Mustang. Except I don't want all the body panel work. Just the mechanical changes. Does anyone do that work around Ottawa or southern Ontario ?
Should I wait for the Bullitt model, instead in 2008 ?

you must have a SVT dealer in your area.that dealer should sell and install... i'm the same way,like the naked look,surprise all the rice burners,and pony wantbe's

[Carnage]

Originally Posted by mod95red

you must have a SVT dealer in your area.that dealer should sell and install...

mod95red is right. You have to make sure you have a SVT or Roush parts department at your local Ford dealership. If not you may have to purchase out of province. If this is the case, you may want to check out Sean Hyland Motorsports. They are located in Ontario and carry a good selection of superchargers (except for Roush) as well as many other goodies for your pony. Also, you may want to go a different route (which I will be) and go with a Ford Racing Whipple supercharger. With the Whipple charger you can gain up to 500rwh. Check it out at Ford Racing's web site. Hope this helps you out.

[mod95red]

if not installed by ford i beiieve warranty will be void

[05canuck]

It has to be installed by a licensed tech or there is no charger warranty.The motor warranty depends on the dealer so check around and see how they feel about mods going the Ford route would be the easiest.

[bobomac]

Go to roushperf.com and click on find nearest roush dealer.

[Violator]

A couple of things. Ford cannot void a warrenty. They can deny a claim but it is illegal in Canada to void a warrenty.

Also be careful what kit you go for and specify that you have an '07 as some plumbing on the car is different.

I am not sure but even if you put on a ford racing or roush supercharger you may leave yourself open to warrenty denial. Be very careful if warrenty on the motor is important to you when it comes to supercharging. No matter what you will have the rest of your warrenty but you lose engine claims.

The roush kit is really good, and very well put together. You shouldn't have a problem with it.

[5ive.oh]

first, there is no SVT any longer so any dealer can get the parts. second it doesn't matter who installs the engine pieces, the warranty on the engine will be denied and the warranty will only be covered by roush on the supercharger. Now if you have a mechanical failure in the engine after the s/c is installed you can attempt to have roush cover the repairs under the claim that the damage was due to s/c failure, but that's all and a long shot. Ford won't cover the engine no matter who did the install or what the failure was due to. As soon as you install any aftermarket part your warranty is in question and it's entirely up to the service manager as to how he writes it up and submits it to Ford's warranty line.

[thump_rrr]

HI,

You must approach this project in the following manner.
Decide on the following:

1. What the performance goals are for your project short term and long term.
2. What compromises you are willing to make .
3. How much money you want to throw at it.

I decided that an engine warranty was not important to me since I have already run the car down the 1/4 mile over 650 times with no reliability issues.
My car had to drive like stock till I stuffed my foot in it.
I was willing to spend the money necessary to achieve my goals.
My goal was to run mid 11's since I didn't want to put a roll cage in it.

I'll talk US Dollars since that is what you'll find on most websites.
I'll be using 1/4 mile times as a benchmark since they are repeatable and easily found on any forum.

The Roush blower is a roots type just like the 03-04 Cobras
I would not suggest the Roush S/C due to its limited upgrade capabilities.
I have seen cars equipped with these blowers run high 12's. A low 12 is possible with a 10% overdrive crank pulley and a custom made upper pulley with custom tuning but why bother.

The 3 best positive displacement blowers which are twinscrews are the Saleen, Whipple/Ford Racing, and the Kenne Bell.

The Saleen is another blower kit that out of the box isn't spectacular.
It will run 12.50's out of the box however the tune supplied by Saleen is less than spectacular.
You must send the PCM to Saleen for the tune and back again if any changes are necessary.
The up side to the Saleen is that JDM engineering has 2 upgrade packages that can make this blower run low 11's and a few 10.9's on a stock motor and 10.20 on a built bottom end. I'm talking on full weight cars not some stripped out race car.

You can find the Saleen for around $4,500.00 + shipping
The Saleen with the JDM Stage II package is around $6,200.00 and if you want to run mid 11's or better you'll want the upgraded fuel pumps for an additional $780.00.
JDM has sold over 500 of these kits and have the tuning of these kits so close to perfect that I and many others have had no modifications to their tunes.
The JDM upgrade includes an SCT X-Cal II tuner which allows JDM to email you tunes if modifications are required.
What you do is get your car on a dyno and have the Air/Fuel ratio checked.
One advantage of this setup is that JDM are the masters of tuning the S197’s with automatic transmissions.
The other is that if you don’t have a master tuner in your area their setup is safe and reliable and fast.
Don’t think that someone who can tune an 03-04 can tune the 05+ due to the variable cam timing.
You can call JDM Engineering and speak to Jim Jr. their website is teamjdm.com

The Whipple is the last of the twinscrews to come out for our cars.
The advantage of the Whipple over the Saleen is that it is the most complete system on the market. It comes already with the fuel pump upgrades that you must purchase separately for the JDM upgraded Saleen.

You can find the Whipple for $6,000 + shipping
The negative side of the whipple is that you don’t get a tuner such as the SCT X-Cal II as you do with the JDM/Saleen setup so if you add the X-CalII for another $400 and a custom tune for another $500 you again end up at the same amount of money.

The Whipple is the same displacement as the Saleen at 2.3L and we are uncertain as far as what the ¼ mile results are since this blower is so new but the dyno numbers are very similar to the Saleen/JDM setup.

The Kenne Bell has been around quite a long time and their kit is pretty complete. It uses a boost a pump which is an electronic module used to overvolt the fuel pump to handle the task.
It has proven itself as long as the person doing the wiring is competent.
The tune is loaded on an SCT X-Cal I which has no troubleshooting or datalogging capabilities so an SCT X-Cal II is recommended for the additional $400.00
Info for this kit can be found on the Ford Racing website but a search will find you the kit for the above mentioned price.



The Kenne Bell can only be purchased directly from Kenne Bell for $5,850.00 unless you purchase it from an installing dealer.
Again a fuel pump upgrade will eventually be desired if you want to run over 500 rwhp as with the other kits.

If you have basic mechanical skills you can save the average installation price of $1,000 and at the same time will learn enough about your vehicle. This will in the long run save you more $$$ since people working on your car will cost you big $$$ over the long haul. These kits can all be installed over a weekend.


The other type of superchargers are the centrifugals which run more like a turbo with power increasing with rpm. The most popular are the Vortech, Procharger, and the Paxton. The prices of Centris are lower than that of twinscrews but the downside of them is that they sound unrefined at idle with whistling, whooping type sounds which is not apealing to me personally. I do not know enough about these to tell you what the differences are between them. What I do know about these is that there have been many blown engines on both the vortech and prochargers due to the poor tunes that come with them.
If you want to go with the Vortech the person to speak to is Lidio Iacobelli at Alternative Auto

I would have provided links to the various sites but I am treated like a child here till I make 15 posts so you must find them by yourselves.

I agree that turbos are more easily upgradeable than S/C'sand provide a greater amount of torque but the downside is that there is a lot more heat in the engine compartment along with a lot of clutter.
They are also more complicated to install.
Powerhouse, Helion, Turbohorsepower and GMS all make kits for the S197's but I would do my homework as to what's required before taking the jump.

[JOE]

Many thanks to everyone who responded to my post. I appreciate all the comments and this will help me decide which way to go with my plans. Special note of thanks to thump_rrr for all the technical detail.
Incidentally, my car looks like the photo of 05Canuck. I want to keep it looking like stock but blow away the 4 banger hot wheels crowd.

[thump_rrr]

Originally Posted by JOE

Many thanks to everyone who responded to my post. I appreciate all the comments and this will help me decide which way to go with my plans. Special note of thanks to thump_rrr for all the technical detail.
Incidentally, my car looks like the photo of 05Canuck. I want to keep it looking like stock but blow away the 4 banger hot wheels crowd.

No Prob.
If you plan on being in the Montreal area once the weather gets better we can get together and you can get a ride in my car.
We pretty much have car events almost every night during the spring and summer.

[Drivesthebeast]

There is a tuning shop east of Ottawa that I'm going to be going to later on this spring (sometime in May) with members of Focuscanada.net. I am going to get my car baselined on the Mustang Dyno they have, and go from there as to what I wanna do power wise. Right now though, for the money, I'm leaning more towards suspension upgrades, and brakes, rims and tires.

I'll try and find the name of that shop and get back to you...maybe you'd feel like coming out too, and I think they are giving a group discount because there will be 4-5 Focus' getting baselines and tunes done (don't let that bug you, this shop is apparently a Hardcore Mustang tuner first...)

L8tz

[TheDutchGun]

Originally Posted by Drivesthebeast

There is a tuning shop east of Ottawa that I'm going to be going to later on this spring (sometime in May) with members of Focuscanada.net. I am going to get my car baselined on the Mustang Dyno they have, and go from there as to what I wanna do power wise. Right now though, for the money, I'm leaning more towards suspension upgrades, and brakes, rims and tires.

I'll try and find the name of that shop and get back to you...maybe you'd feel like coming out too, and I think they are giving a group discount because there will be 4-5 Focus' getting baselines and tunes done (don't let that bug you, this shop is apparently a Hardcore Mustang tuner first...)

L8tz

I'd love the name of that shop too as I am in Ottawa.